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Hi all, first post here. I just bought a 2011 T&C Limited today. Coming from a 2017 Pacifca Touring L(had to get rid of to buy a house). I test drove it during the day and didn't think to test out the headlights. As day turned into night, i noticed i had no lights in the front :(.

As it turns out, the low beams, fog lights, and one of the side markers were out. The only lighting i could use in the front were the high beams.

I ended up fixing the fog lights(one of the fuse blades was broken... M2)

Went to auto parts store to try and get a pair of headlight bulbs...go out to the car and realize there is literally nothing there for the low beams other than a tiny connector. Even the bulbs themselves were gone. I then found out this van has HID low beams. So i go back in and exchange the halogen bulbs for one HID bulb at $99 to test it out. Did not work on either side. From what I have read, this is most likely an issue with the ballast that is mounted beneath the headlight assembly.

I feel like I can complete this task after watching a youtube video, but my problem is the hardware for the bulbs is gone. There is no rubber dust cap or plastic/metal retainer clip/ring for either side.

I can easily find the clip on ebay, but i have no idea what size the OEM rubber dust cap is to find a replacement. Does anyone know what size or have the part number for it?

Other question, it appears the headlight assembly on the right was replaced. Are the headlight assemblies HID specific or are they all the same? Like, the mounting bracket for the ballast and the opening for the HID bulb. Hoping i don't have to get a new headlight assembly.

P.S. going to call the car lot i bought it from in the morning and give them an earfull for selling a vehicle with no headlights.
 

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There are universal cut-to-size dust caps on eBay. Got one when one of mine ripped. Also on eBay are cheap OEM HID kits for $35, which includes ballast, bulb, and wire.

When trying to get lighting worth a damn out of my HIDs (even with good bulbs and ballasts HID is crap on these vans) I experimented with LED bulbs in them. They were even worse on lighting. But I did find out that you can use wire hangers or other stiff wire to make a bulb cage.

My advice, chuck the HID housings in the trash and go buy a set of halogen housings and slap some LEDs in those. Instead of struggling to see 10 feet in front of you with HIDs, you'll be seeing 1/4 mile down the road.
 

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There are universal cut-to-size dust caps on eBay. Got one when one of mine ripped. Also on eBay are cheap OEM HID kits for $35, which includes ballast, bulb, and wire.

When trying to get lighting worth a damn out of my HIDs (even with good bulbs and ballasts HID is crap on these vans) I experimented with LED bulbs in them. They were even worse on lighting. But I did find out that you can use wire hangers or other stiff wire to make a bulb cage.

My advice, chuck the HID housings in the trash and go buy a set of halogen housings and slap some LEDs in those. Instead of struggling to see 10 feet in front of you with HIDs, you'll be seeing 1/4 mile down the road.
How would i go about getting the wiring to work? I'm not the best with cutting and splicing wires. Or is there a plug and play kit or something?

I got a hold of the salesperson at the lot this morning. I said hey you know the van you sold me has no headlights. He was like yea, i bought the parts for it, but my mechanic is out with COVID. He told me to come get the parts. I went up there and he cut me a check for $200, which should cover everything plus my time and fuel. I guess he couldn't find the parts. I just can't believe Missouri passed it on the safety inspection and he didn't say a word about a major safety issue.
 

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If you think splicing wires is too hard, you're not going to like trying to fix this yourself. The headlight assemblies have to be removed to access the ballast, which means the front bumper needs to come off - or at least partially off to get access to the 2 bolts each light that it blocks.

The splicing part is easy (but still requires housings to be changed).
 

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If you think splicing wires is too hard, you're not going to like trying to fix this yourself. The headlight assemblies have to be removed to access the ballast, which means the front bumper needs to come off - or at least partially off to get access to the 2 bolts each light that it blocks.

The splicing part is easy (but still requires housings to be changed).
I have no problem taking the bumper off and removing the headlight assembly. I already watched out to do it, but I don't want to mess with the factory wiring, which is why I would like to stay with factory I think.
 

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Yeah, I get that. Sad thing is the HIDs are supposed to be the premium lighting option and are more expensive to maintain as well as putting out less light (much less when compared to LEDs in the halogen housings). But having just bought it, I fully understand not wanting to change it up immediately.
 

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Yeah, I get that. Sad thing is the HIDs are supposed to be the premium lighting option and are more expensive to maintain as well as putting out less light (much less when compared to LEDs in the halogen housings). But having just bought it, I fully understand not wanting to change it up immediately.
I still don't know which dust cap to use. There are so many different sizes that say they fit.
 

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Ballasts and all parts came today. Trying to replace wiring because corroded connector. Original wiring is brown/white. New wiring is black/red. Do you know which goes to which?
These are ugly, but I do know they will fit. Had to shoe horn them on mine. :p

 

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90% sure that white is hot, so that should go to red, but verify with a multimeter and wire position in the connector. On the outside connector the white/tan and white/dark blue are the hot wires, and black is ground.
 

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90% sure that white is hot, so that should go to red, but verify with a multimeter and wire position in the connector. On the outside connector the white/tan and white/dark blue are the hot wires, and black is ground.
I got the other side connected. Connector looked good. Hooked it up and the hids flash and then turn off. Any idea what that means?
 

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Sounds like a defective ballast. Like the igniter is working but the constant power portion of the ballast isn't turning on. You can swap the other one in it and see if it does the same. Possible it's an issue with the bulb, but not very likely.
 
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Sounds like a defective ballast. Like the igniter is working but the constant power portion of the ballast isn't turning on. You can swap the other one in it and see if it does the same. Possible it's an issue with the bulb, but not very likely.
I successfully got one of them installed and running. Going to try replacing the wiring/connector on the one that was flashing and see if that fixes it. I really hope its not a bad ballast. Really don't want to take this bumper off again.
 

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Sounds like a defective ballast. Like the igniter is working but the constant power portion of the ballast isn't turning on. You can swap the other one in it and see if it does the same. Possible it's an issue with the bulb, but not very likely.
So even after changing out the wiring it still flashes. Guess the balast, bulb and wiring will have to go back to Amazon and I will have to take the bumper off again for the driver side.

On a brighter note, the one good light is very bright(its a 6000, not sure about legality, but oh well) and with the fog lights it is sufficient for seeing at night without using the high beams. So at least i can drive at night even though i might still get pulled over for headlight out.
 

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Sounds like a defective ballast. Like the igniter is working but the constant power portion of the ballast isn't turning on. You can swap the other one in it and see if it does the same. Possible it's an issue with the bulb, but not very likely.
Looks like you were correct. New Ballast and light arrived today. Hooked it up temporarily to test and it works fine. Will have to pull the bumper back of tonight after work.
 

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Sounds like a defective ballast. Like the igniter is working but the constant power portion of the ballast isn't turning on. You can swap the other one in it and see if it does the same. Possible it's an issue with the bulb, but not very likely.
Got the second HID installed and replaced the side marker while i was at it. All of my lights work....for now. I noticed a lot of water in the assembly. Not sure if its due to cracks around the housing or if it was because the dust cap was off. I did the best i could sealing the housing, but I am not sure if this will be a recurring issue down the road.

Eternally grateful for your assistance, kind sir.
 

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Hopefully it was just the missing dust cap. Water in these assemblies is very bad because the ballast will get wet.
 

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Got the second HID installed and replaced the side marker while i was at it. All of my lights work....for now. I noticed a lot of water in the assembly. Not sure if its due to cracks around the housing or if it was because the dust cap was off. I did the best i could sealing the housing, but I am not sure if this will be a recurring issue down the road.

Eternally grateful for your assistance, kind sir.
Not sure how I missed this thread, but glad you got it figured out.

That's wild that they sold the vehicle without working headlights! Not sure that $200 is an appropriate amount to deal with what you had to deal with, but whatever.
 

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Yeah, I get that. Sad thing is the HIDs are supposed to be the premium lighting option and are more expensive to maintain as well as putting out less light (much less when compared to LEDs in the halogen housings). But having just bought it, I fully understand not wanting to change it up immediately.
Yeah, if you're just putting HID bulbs into the halogen housings, you're light output is going to be garbage, and cause all kinds of glare. You would need a HID projector to put the bulb in. The factory HID setup has HID bulbs in proper HID projectors, so the light output is quite good.

I did an HID retrofit on my parent's van and my parents were amazed at how much more light there was in front of them vs. the factory halogens. I literally got a call from my mom the first time she drove at night with them amazed that she "could sweep the sidewalks" with the new lights



 

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Yeah, if you're just putting HID bulbs into the halogen housings, you're light output is going to be garbage, and cause all kinds of glare. You would need a HID projector to put the bulb in. The factory HID setup has HID bulbs in proper HID projectors, so the light output is quite good.
I did a factory HID retrofit. The garbage lighting I'm referring to is not from one of those cheap HID drop in kits for the halogen housings, it's from true HID projectors. If it weren't for my LED fog lights, I would never drive at night in the rain. Way too dangerous. After a passing car I would be blind for a few seconds.

With my LEDs in the halogen housings I could see the reflective tape on road signs 1/4 mile away shine in the middle of the day. The HIDs are absolutely pathetic by comparison. I'd say that on clear nights they are slightly better than halogens, but in the rain, they might as well not even be on.
 
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