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I put these pads on in the last several months. They are copper free ceramic. They are really dusty and I'm pretty disappointed. Other than that, they seem like OK pads. But I didn't get the cleanliness I thought I was paying for. This is after a few weeks of driving, starting with spotless wheels.


Edit: The rotor is new, so don't get distracted by its condition.

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See how smooth and spotless your rotor is? There always tradeoffs with pads... rare to have the pad that has it all.

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Those rotors are brand new today. Hadn't moved the van yet.
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Was your left front rotor glazed over? I see mine is not looking clean like my right front. That happened with the previous rotors as well.

Interesting, the dust issue with the copper free pad. All pads create dust, they have to, some not so noticeable.
 

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I tried to get away with replacing just the pads, leaving the OE rotors because they looked good. We took a road trip recently and I found the brakes shuddered a bit when warm, so I went ahead and replaced the front rotors yesterday. Similar story with the rear rotors actually before the road trip, but they looked like they were getting pad deposits or otherwise not getting clean contact. The rears looked good after the trip.

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I tried to get away with replacing just the pads, leaving the OE rotors because they looked good. We took a road trip recently and I found the brakes shuddered a bit when warm, so I went ahead and replaced the front rotors yesterday. Similar story with the rear rotors actually before the road trip, but they looked like they were getting pad deposits or otherwise not getting clean contact. The rears looked good after the trip.

Brembo! Lol
I’ll probably buy Brembo rotors when the OEM’s are done. I recently changed the rear pads to Akebono ceramics. I haven’t noticed any dust. But to be honest I haven’t checked :p
 

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I tried to get away with replacing just the pads, leaving the OE rotors because they looked good. We took a road trip recently and I found the brakes shuddered a bit when warm, so I went ahead and replaced the front rotors yesterday. Similar story with the rear rotors actually before the road trip, but they looked like they were getting pad deposits or otherwise not getting clean contact. The rears looked good after the trip.

Brembo! Lol
I had Brembo on ours, they made it 2 weeks before "warping"..... That's what led to the Powerstop drilled/slotted rotors with the Z23 pads.
That combo has been on for 40k miles now, they're still around 80% pad and show no sign of giving up any time soon.
 

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Well, I'll cross my fingers for better results.
 

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I think I'll get a set of Akebono ceramic pads for the front. The rear wheels are staying pretty clean, but the fronts get really dirty.
 

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"warping" rotors means you are driving too hard, with repeated hard stops. Anticipate more, coast more, don't hold the brakes down in one position for too long if hot. Don't wash the car if brakes are hot.

Let the wheels rotate without brakes on to cool the rotors. Use just enough brakes to drive safely.

Coasting to a stop also saves gas. Lead feet means worn brakes.
 

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Take an angle grinder, with a flap disk on it, to clean the rust and pad deposits/crap off a warped roror and see what happens to the "warp". :)

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Great way to clean up a rotor. :) Beats filing, chipping rust, and hand sanding.

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"warping" rotors means you are driving too hard, with repeated hard stops. Anticipate more, coast more, don't hold the brakes down in one position for too long if hot. Don't wash the car if brakes are hot.

Let the wheels rotate without brakes on to cool the rotors. Use just enough brakes to drive safely.

Coasting to a stop also saves gas. Lead feet means worn brakes.
It not dubbed the "race van" for nothing.

Hence why we upgrade to better than factory parts. More stopping power, more consistent stopping power, no more warpy, no need to piss everyone else on the road off from driving like a grandpa.
 

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Grandpas take note. Move over for Long_Voyager94. He's coming through. At 94. :)
 
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Grandpas take note. Move over for Long_Voyager94. He's coming through. At 94. :)
Na, I'm patient. It's other drivers that are complete a$$hats around people who drive slowly.

There are however a few deserted local roads that are a riot to tear up, even in a minivan. Issue is the brakes aren't up to the task of spirited driving (fun fact: factory rotors will glow).

I just don't get the people who can't figure out why someone would want to upgrade instead of dealing with a subpar system.
 
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