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I will miss him actually, he was interesting with his different points of view.
Yeah, seemed like he was fitting in quite nicely.
 
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Here's the latest data from that report... DGC is the worst... Worse than the top 3 combined across all categories.

VehicleOverall death rate (with confidence limits)Multi-vehicle crash death rateSingle-vehicle crash death rateRollover death rateModel year span
Toyota Sienna 4WD7 (0-18)4402014-17
Honda Odyssey8 (2-14)4522014-17
Toyota Sienna 2WD20 (10-31)16422014-17
Kia Sedona21 (4-38)714112015-17
Chrysler Pacifica27 (0-58)21502017
Dodge Grand Caravan41 (28-54)261552014-17

As someone else pointed out later in the thread, the 41 rate is only just slightly worse than the average:

All 2017 vehicles36
 

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As someone else pointed out later in the thread, the 41 rate is only just slightly worse than the average:

All 2017 vehicles36
I am somewhat reassured knowing that my DGC has a slightly lower death rate than my Corolla (which has a rate of 54 vs 41 for the DGC). Check out some of the numbers for cars I see tons of around here ie: Honda Civic.

I think it's best to keep these stats in perspective that what you drive is only one part of the equation. It's all relativities, what you are driving and how heavy it is, what you actually hit in the crash, at what speed, in what direction, in what road and weather conditions. There is a lot at play when you consider physics.


VehicleOverall death rate (with confidence limits)Multi-vehicle crash death rateSingle-vehicle crash death rateRollover death rateModel year span
Volkswagen Golf0 (0-34)0002015-17
Nissan Leaf5 (0-14)0502014-17
Volkswagen GTI11 (0-27)11002015-17
Nissan Juke 2WD12 (0-29)6662014-17
Acura ILX26 (0-56)20502014-17
Mazda 3 hatchback27 (7-46)121622014-17
Mitsubishi Lancer 2WD31 (3-58)25602014-17
Mazda 3 sedan39 (22-55)271312014-17
Hyundai Elantra GT44 (7-82)192702014-17
Honda Civic46 (29-62)301542016-17
Chevrolet Cruze49 (24-75)351352016-17
Subaru WRX54 (25-83)312442015-17
Toyota Corolla54 (27-81)401532017
Nissan Juke 4WD65 (2-127)224802014-17
Ford Focus68 (52-84)481992014-17
Nissan Sentra81 (65-96)5326112014-17
Nissan Versa88 (66-111)4942142014-17
Hyundai Elantra89 (44-133)711592017
Kia Forte89 (64-114)632422014-17
Chevrolet Sonic98 (64-132)6434102014-17
All 2017 vehicles36 (34-37)221352014-17
 

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Hilarious discrep between the 2WD and 4WD Nissan Juke...12 vs 65.... In this case the 4WD is the killer :)

Buy the VW Golf and you'l live forever.
 
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And then there's people that drive motorcycles, and even worse, bicycles.

Then again, their statistics may not be that bad OR are they?

Riding Sideways (Extremely Windy Day)

I was driving behind some motorcyclists, who passed me at the start of the Confederation Bridge to PEI, on a very windy day. Once they were on the bridge, reality set in (cross winds) and they were actually slowing me down. There were two people on each bike and were they ever leaning sideways, trying to counter the wind.
The speed limit on the bridge is 80 kilometres per hour (50 mph) but can vary with wind and weather conditions. When travelling at the speed limit, it takes about 12 minutes to cross the bridge.
130 feet above open water and over 8 miles long

Once they got across the bridge, they had to stop and straighten out.

People rise these machines and certainly aren't looking at statistics to deter them.
 

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If you have to go by car, self driving cars are the answer. :geek:

Automation can help reduce the number of crashes on our roads. Government data identifies driver behavior or error as a factor in 94 percent of crashes, and self-driving vehicles can help reduce driver error. Higher levels of autonomy have the potential to reduce risky and dangerous driver behaviors.
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So they say. :)
 
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Unless you are 'driving' a tesla and a white semi trailer crosses in front of you.....
 

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I've been aware of the small overlap crash tests for a long time. I also hate the 6 spd transmission. That said, I hang on to my 2013 DGC because it is dependable, economical, and fits my needs. I'm at 170K miles and will undoubtedly go past 200K before changing vehicles.
How you drive is very important. I regularly travel on a 4 lane road with no center divider and can't help but notice that a majority of drivers use the center lane. If you want to be alone, drive in the outer lane! No one seems to consider that all it would take is for an idiot in the oncoming center lane to look down at his or her cellphone and wander over the line and you've got a 40% offset collision in the making. I try to compensate by staying out of the center lane as much as possible.
 

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The only problem I saw is that the test dummy's face glanced off the steering wheel airbag to hit the A-pillar. Real-world can be much different. The Tesla Model 3 scores top marks in the side-ram test where the sled hits low at the stiff and heavy battery pack. A lady crossed a dbl-yellow line to pass illegally in Central Florida a year ago and hit a pickup head-on. That cleanly sheared the top body of the Tesla off the lower "skateboard" (her last mistake). The pickup occupants weren't hurt and I recall they could even drive their pickup afterwards. Re "smooth-shifting transmission", that is actually bad since manufacturers purposely make the shifts slow and slippy since owners expect that is good. That leads to more clutch-pack wear and why there have long been after-market "shift kits" to change it to "fast and firm" for owners who know better. But, with today's "throttle by wire", I think the engine controller reduces torque during shifts so the transmissions wear less.
 

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I had a motorcycle riding friend who would not wear a helmet. I asked him why since helmets protect you better if you wreck it. He said he could see better without the helmet so he rode more safely and didn't intend to wreck. I don't ride motorcycles and am not advocating riding without a helmet, but some things have to be about personal choice. I have driven a Grand Caravan for quite a few miles and other vehicles for a lot of miles. I never had an accident where anyone's life was in danger. That doesn't mean that could not happen. I choose not to worry about things just because they could happen.
If your friend could see better without his helmet he needed a different helmet! And no one has ever got up in the morning and said, "today I intend to go out and have a wreck".

I've ridden motorcycles and driven Dodge Caravans for decades and also worked in Dodge/Chrysler service departments as well as other brands for many years, and I can tell you they all break down. Hondas, Toyotas, Mercedes, no matter the brand you will find every brand has service departments to repair them.
 

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Well now, and I thought Toyota and Honda repair shops were just for oil changes and helmets were just for old ladies.(and downhill skiers). Ha, ha.
 

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So the next time buying a vehicle pick up the Annual Consumer Reports Car Buyers Guide. It has the crash test results and the reliability ratings. I know based on ownership that buying an extended factory warranty is a wise move if purchasing a Chrysler (FCA, Allegiant) vehicle.
Believe it or not,when Ford started installing seat belts in 1956 the public considered they must be unsafe. Before they became mandatory the thinking was that in a collision it was better to be thrown through the windshield than be trapped in a burning car. In a high speed crash the driver would be impaled on the steering column and the passenger would smash against the dash or windshield.
Reliability? 3,000 mile oil changes, tune up once a year. Tires, exhaust and battery might be good for two to three years. In the 鈥漴ust belt鈥 the fenders and rocker panels would be rusted just in time to trade after the loan was paid off. 鈥淭hey don鈥檛 build鈥檈m like they used to.鈥
 

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Many years ago saw a motorcycle rider with a plate 'ORGN DNR'; he was not wearing a helmet.
 

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One might wonder what the difference in damage is with these overlap crash tests at

20% - 50% in 5% increments .... (shame to write off so many cars but hey it's for safety)

At what point does the safety damage change significantly. Something in my gut says that just a few inches in the difference of the overlap might make one huge difference.
 

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Indeed it would. 20% doesn't really get into the fender rail very far. At just 25% I'd imagine a sharp decrease in injury.
 

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Of course in the real world the collision will not be exactly the same as at the Institute of Highway Safety.
 

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Indeed it would. 20% doesn't really get into the fender rail very far. At just 25% I'd imagine a sharp decrease in injury.
So clearly the best thing to do, if you know you're aiming for a partial overlap is to turn the wheel to increase the overlap!
 
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