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P06DD - What to do next?

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#1 ·
I have a 2012 Dodge Grand Caravan Crew that has been giving me the dreaded P06DD off and on for some time now. It seems like every 3rd start I get the code and low oil pressure. What I have been doing lately before starting the van complete is turning the key to the "on" position to watch the oil pressure gauge drop to zero. Then start the van and watch the oil pressure climb. If it passes 40 I know that I'm usually good to go, if it hits 40 and doesn't go over I know the code is going to get thrown.

I've noticed as well that the code will only ever get thrown at engine start and never after the engine has been in operation for many miles. For example, I occasionally drive 40 miles from my home to visit family and the code won't throw at all. If the van is warm or recently used the code typically doesn't come on. My thoughts are that if it was the oil pump and/or solenoid that the code would be thrown regularly with no discrimination as to how long the van has been running or how many miles. If the solenoid is going to not engage I would think it would happen at random times (kind of like how a misfire will occur while in operation, not just at startup.

What have I done? Good question!
  • Changed oil at dealership (multiple times at correct intervals)
    • Last oil change was in April 2021 - I've only put about 2000 miles on the oil and have about 3000 to go according to the oil change sticker
    • I'm not driving as much anymore since working from home
  • Checked (and changed) oil filter with the correct one (correct MOPAR filter was installed each time). Verified by markings and filter design
  • Swapped Oil Pressure Sensor (Used Carquest branded sensor - unsure if original sensor swapped was aftermarket or OEM) - Any way to check for sure? I still have the original
  • Replaced bypass valve - it was missing for who knows how long
    • After swapping issue seemed to clear up for a solid two weeks and has slowly trickled back to happening every few start-ups.
Next steps on my list include:
  • Contacting dealer tomorrow to determine what work was previously done. I remember having something replaced a few years ago at the dealer. I am hoping that something is covered but will have to wait and see.
  • Looking to swap sensor with OEM
  • Pull the cooler and determine if a leak is present
    • Potentially swap cooler
    • Swap seals
I do see oil in the valley but I can't tell if it's old or fresh. There's no oil on my garage floor and I often run the van in garage for a good while (10-20 minutes). There are a few dried spots but I can't tell if it's due to oil in the valley or not. I also do not know when those spots appeared. I do know that it was well after getting the van worked on (around late 2018).

What I am looking to do is pull the intake and oil cooler to inspect for any potential damage and verify the seals are good. Then clean the valley as best as I can to ensure that no oil remains. Reinstall everything and take it for a drive.

On another post I saw that someone stuffed some rags around the oil cooler in order to determine if there is a leak and an idea as to where it may be coming from. I am looking to do that as well and mostly to verify that there are no leaks there.

I have seen on many other posts that swapping the oil pump was necessary due to the solenoid failing, my thoughts there is that there is a separate code that "should" be thrown if the solenoid was failing instead of the sensor. I'm very well aware that with modern cars one problem will often lead to another code being thrown. On the same note, I have seen those same posts say that the dealership has swapped the oil pump and the issue continues to remain with very little success in having the issue resolved

Questions:
  • Is there anything that I'm missing? Anything that I can look into to help continue to self-diagnose? I certainly want to avoid having to replace the oil pump (I feel as though that's the ultimate last resort).
  • When removing the oil cooler, do I need to drain the coolant? Or is it like the oil and should be low enough to remove the cooler without need to drain? The videos I've seen so far make no indication of needing to drain either so I'm assuming that it should be safe to do.
Any help is appreciated!
 
Discussion starter · #4 ·
What's your dipstick telling you for oil consumption/use?

Some oil pressure sensors are poor quality, not lasting a year. My last Standard Motors oil sensor is the last Standard Motors sensor I will ever buy. I switched to Mopar/OE for most anything "sensor".

When did the problem start. Who did that oil change?

From:
P06DD CHRYSLER Possible Causes
The 2011s had a Service Bulletin associated with that code.
I honestly don’t know when the issue truly started. Best of my memory tells me that it was around end of summer in 2018. I know that sounds like a long time away but what ended up happening around then was my transmission crapped out so I took it in and had it swapped. Then shortly after that it had another issue unrelated to the transmission. I have a feeling it was P06DD related. I took it back, had that issue resolved and it didn’t happen again until around the time I got another oil change. From then on it seems to have been off and on until last year when the CEL was basically a permanent part of the display.

At some point the bypass valve broke but I have no idea when that was because I’ve never changed my oil. Now that I know what to look for each time the oil change is completed I’m going to verify that the valve is still present.

I believe I had two oil changes done at Take 5 and the rest have been at the dealer since it didn’t cost much more than Take5.

I’m definitely contacting the dealership in the morning to find out exactly what work I had done and determine if any of it is still under warranty.

I saw two TSBs related to P06DD but it seems like one applies to certain years and certain vehicles. Mine did not appear on that list. For the second TSB though, it’s for my year and model related to faulty solenoid.

Something tells me that when I had the work done previously it was related to the solenoid but It was so long ago and I don’t know what I did with the paperwork.

Depending on what the dealership says I will likely go ahead and spring for the OEM sensor just so I can cross that one off the list.

Finally, my dipstick is telling me that oil levels are great. I’ve checked it multiple times. When it’s cold it’s at the second (top) dot. When it’s running, it’s down near the bottom dot. When it’s warm (10-15) after running its right in the middle. To go along with what Sienile said, I don’t think I’m experiencing a leak so I don’t think I’m going to worry about swapping the cooler.
 
Discussion starter · #6 ·
When I had that code, dealer wanted to replace the oil pump. I drove to Mexico where I had a little accident. Tool my vehicle to a Mexican Chrysler dealer.

They replaced my transmission and as a courtesy they also changed oil and filter.

I was told that a O.E. filter should fix the P06DD issue, CEL should turn off within 200 kms. It did, to never return.

I was using a Wix filter.
I’m already using OEM MOPAR filter.
 
Discussion starter · #11 ·
Update: received the correct pressure sensor from the dealer and installed. Still received the code after clearing before starting the engine.

Verified oil filter is good and bypass valve is installed. Still no leaks.

Next step on my list is to replace the oil pump.