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2002 Caravan - No Start, Electronics Going Crazy

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3.1K views 7 replies 5 participants last post by  markfothebeast  
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I'm a little rusty on Caravans. Last year I removed the tranny and engine in my girlfriends 04 and rebuilt an 05 engine i got at the scrap yard and swapped it in. I went through the entire wiring harness and eventually ended up pulling apart the IPM and found that it was in bad shape. I cleaned it up as much as possible and the van ran better but still has flickering head lamps and runs a bit goofy. I still think that IPM needs replacement. I also fixed the melted harness to the injector rail.

On to the 2002 Caravan I'm posting about. This is my neighbors. I have a bit less knowledge on the 2002 model since our 2004 has the NGC ECM. It has decided not to start and had gotten stuck at his work place. One day it suddenly started and he drove it home. It does not start at all now. I helped him tow it around the yard the other day. I turned the key and the entire electrical system was going crazy; lights and turn signals going crazy, etc. My very first thought was that the IPM was probably corroded. But he is thinking it is the ECM.

I didn't get much time to play with it but i did do a brief continuity check between the battery and chassis near the ECM. The resistance was very high. Besides for possible ground connection issues, is there a common wire harness short somewhere in the pre-NGC Caravans? I pulled a couple relays out of the IPM and I noticed a very slight corrosion on the terminals. The neighbor mentioned that he pulled out the connectors on the bottom of the IPM and it was fine. My memory is a bit foggy but if i recall, my 2004 IPM looked fine on both the harness connectors and fuse/relay terminals until I cracked the box open and found the circuit board in absolutely terrible condition.

Does the no start/crazy lights sound like an ECM or IPM issue? Wire harness issue maybe? Like I said, I used to religiously read through this forum daily when I was rebuilding the engine in our 04 but it has been well over a year now.

One more question: Which year Caravan IPMs are interchangeable? I still need to replace our 2004 IPM but I'd like to know before running to the junkyard.
 
#2 ·
To be clear, the engine rotates/cranks when attempting a start but won't continue running correct?

No mention of checking for spark or fuel.

"Crazy lights" first tells me check battery power, connections and ability to take a load. Could be caused by a corroded IPM but there could be other causes such as poor connections wire problems and a shorted or calcified battery. Don't recall if this is specific to 02s but there's a wire bundle running under the battery that can get heavily corroded from leaking battery acid, sometimes to the point the wires break. May be worth a look.

I'll say the PCM (your ECM I assume) won't create crazy lights but can cause a no start or no crank condition. That said, the PCM is on the data bus and if it's loading the bus strange things can happen. Odds are that's not the case. A no start can also be caused by loss of crank/cam shaft signals to the PCM.

An NGC PCM is just a TCM and a PCM combined in the same box. The 02 has a PCM and a TCM.
 
#4 ·
fuel injector wire harness melted, 01 02 03 common issue. will take out the ecu if shorts out right/bad.
 
#5 ·
First, go back to basic principles.

This is a 2002 van, and the starter brushes may be worn, making starting kind of intermittent.

The flashing lights and other weird electronic things can very well be caused by a discharged batter. Get a voltmeter, and read the battery voltage with everything off. It should be 12.6, otherwise charge the battery.

Now try and start the van. If it won't start, locater starter and give it a couple of good whacks.

Good luck.
 
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... i did do a brief continuity check between the battery and chassis near the ECM. The resistance was very high....
There have been multiple threads in the past containing reports of battery connectors which corroded internally and lost solid electrical contact. Some of those folks also described battery wires which were corroded under the insulation where it could not be detected unless it was pulled off the wire. You might want to check the condition of those big wires.